Fr. Gregory Pine

It's like, ah, I don't, you know, like, I love you.

Sorry, mom.

Yeah, exactly.

In some cases.

And so, like, I think a lot of us just have difficulty distinguishing between people, their desires, and the realization of their desires, you know?

And so, like...

this person's becoming Catholic and we just say bad person.

We don't necessarily, but someone might say bad person.

Or, you know, as it concerns like the same-sex attraction, homosexual orientation or whatever it is, it's like,

You know, unless you wholly embrace, unless you wholly validate what I do, that's a rejection of me as an individual.

It's like, I didn't say that, you know, but if that's your interpretive lens, then I'm kind of stuck, as it were.

Right.

So I think that a lot of the discourse breaks down when we fail to make basic distinctions and, yeah, when we fail to actually facilitate a real conversation as to what matters or what the people are actually concerned about.

Yeah.

I mean, I think about it too, in terms of, I mean, you say things on the internet and presumably people on the internet disagree with some of the things that you say.

Occasionally.

Yeah, from time to time.

Yes.

As a spiritual director, I would always say, from time to time.

But like in my own very limited experience, I do like a quarter of a fraction of not that much.