Francesca Rudkin

And then I get there and I go, oh, I've got to put fuel in the car.

And they're sufficient.

Yeah.

All right.

Maybe just have a splurge.

And I'd like to know whether you feel better knowing you've got some slightly more sexy, interesting, non-holy underwear on.

Anyway, today on the podcast, we're joined by Sonia Gray.

Now, look, I am personally indebted to the work that Sonia does when it comes to neurodiversity.

With her podcast, No Such Thing as Normal, she's filled the gap for so many people living with neurodiversity, raising a child with neurodiversity, or for those working and living with neurodiverse people.

And I believe that everybody should listen to her podcast.

It was a tool that I could send to our family.

And you guys were really sweet.

You were like, I'm going to listen to it, you know, for Lola.

But it was an amazing tool to be able to send your friends and family to go, hey, look, you're constantly asking how we are.

This is how we are.

Just have a listen to this.

Yeah, no, it was brilliant.

I've said this to you before.

I think the first time I saw you after listening to the podcast, I just burst into tears.

And one of the things that comes through in so many of the episodes that you do is the people that you speak to want connection with other people who have the same experiences.