Francesca Rudkin

Yeah.

We were like, we just look back and we're like, we're just laughing going, oh yeah, okay, that explains that.

We just thought she was so quirky and interesting.

The aha moments is what we used to call them.

Oh, we're having another aha moment.

Yeah, what do I want?

That's really important for people to know because a lot of people go into the diagnosis and a lot of women who are suddenly going, maybe this could be it, they get the diagnosis and they go, great, now I've got an explanation.

But you're right, it is the very beginning of what can be quite a long journey.

And I love that story about your mum just walking around, being the scaffolding, making everything possible, just quietly there.

Yeah, yeah.

And that's what so many of our parents did.

I mean, I don't know about you guys, but the more I've learned about neurodiversity, the first thing I did was go back to my primary school and go, I wish I could apologise to Stephen and I could visualise the kids who we just thought of were the naughty kids and the troublesome kids and the difficult kids.

And now I realise...

Yeah, and now I'm just like, oh, bless, school was just a nightmare for them.

I'm pretty sure they were all neurodivergent.

And they just got dropped in the naughty box and left there.

Yeah, and that you're seeing the individual in front of you, not a neurodivergent person.

Woke?

But I try, I really try hard and I've learned so much over the last few years, but I'm pulled up quite a bit at home.

Me too.