Francis Foster

I would exclude healthcare from that personally.

But what I'm saying is if you can't sustain yourself in the country to which you've immigrated, then you should go to your country.

Yeah.

Or you should go to your country.

You represent perfectly.

Yeah, I don't know about no one, but I get your point, which is- Sorry, a small number of- No, I don't know if it's a small number.

What I see from the American right is there are a lot of people that are not only comfortable, but are delighted, right?

Which is fair enough.

If your country has been invaded, as you described it, with millions of people, I understand why people in that moment start to prioritize solving the problem more than their compassion.

And that will happen naturally when that's the situation.

But your point, I think broadly is correct, which is the bulk of the general public believe in a border, but also don't want to see the things that are now happening for that border to exist.

Which is why it's better to have a border in the first place, is what I would argue.

But to what extent are these people actually existing in the world as... I totally take your point, but then counterargument would be, I remember a hell of a lot of people that I was friends with in 2015 going, I don't know anyone who voted Brexit the following year.

And I'm going, well, that's not necessarily a reflection of...

what the sentiment is and might be a reflection of who you speak to.

You see what I'm saying?

I do.

And I mean, the evidence is that there are increasing numbers of people on both left and right in this country and in others that think political violence is justified.

Yeah, and how many presidents have been assassinated or shot?

Four to six.