Francis Foster

He's a wonderful little man.

Just enjoy him.

And I think part of the problem is, and I think this is true with social justice movements as well, that we went from one end of the pendulum right the way through to the other.

So when I was a kid, I had real problems.

I still do.

It's something that I have to work on every day, problems with concentration.

And I remember when I was at school...

They got me my own desk away from the other kids.

They were like, Francis isn't going to be able to pass the exams.

He can't concentrate.

He can't focus.

He's whatever else.

But we don't really do that anymore.

And it's such a profound point because if everybody is ill, if everybody is sick, then what do these terms actually mean?

But it's also as well, when I was reading the book, I was thinking, the pandemic must have a significant part to play in all this.

It must do.

And we've talked about this with Lionel Shriver.

It's that we seem to have evolved into a society that is constantly looking for comfort.

Yeah.

But it's like the metaphor.