Francis Foster

That's what actually concerns people.

And we're not having an important conversation, which is affordability.

And that's it.

And that's it.

And that's what ordinary people feel.

They feel as if their concerns are not being addressed.

So the elites are talking about net zero and being carbon neutral.

The guy who drives a van, he just wants to be able to pay his bills on time and make sure his kids don't go hungry.

And more and more, ordinary people are looking at their wages, looking at their outgoings and going, they're not mathing here, mate.

What about your party?

I love them.

Is that still around?

They're adorable.

But I thought if we look at causes for optimism, I think that the emergence of reform is a good thing.

I'm going to be honest with you.

I think the emergence of the Green Party is a good thing.

There is that side of the political left who I think are nuts, whatever else, but at least their politics are being catered to.

And I think what we're seeing now, actually, with the emergence of these news parties, is a more representative form of politics.

Because in the old days, you had Conservative or Labour.

And you go, how much does, I don't know, a right-wing libertarian have to do with an old-school traditional, dyed-in-the-wool Tory?