Francis Foster

Because, for example, Francis and I, we run this YouTube channel.

It's a small business.

We employ people, whatever.

What we found is the best game to play is a collaborative game where the mission is more important than the people involved.

You seem skeptical now.

Please do.

And I think it's also maybe a question of scale.

I think I remember reading something, I don't remember the name of this concept, but once a business gets beyond a certain number of team members, that's when people start caring more about their position in the hierarchy than the mission, which is why maybe it's good to keep things small where that collaborative attitude is possible.

Well, thank God we're not married.

I want to come back to something you said at the beginning, because I think it ties potentially with politics as well, which is you mentioned that when people feel like they have no power, there is a whole swath of negative behaviors that they can exhibit.

And we see on both sides, I would argue, of the political spectrum, people who feel like they have no power.

burning things down, you know, burning things down, metaphorically speaking, wanting to tear down certain things about the society they live in.

What happens when people feel at the individual level but also at the collective level that they don't have the power that they want or should?

Well, it's interesting you mention the geopolitical side of it because I would argue from direct experience in Russia and also from history that I know that whipping up or at least addressing, and those both can be true, the sense of loss or resentment or grievance, envy that people have and channeling that is a very powerful tool.

I mean, in Russia right now, the narrative is, you know, the evil Americans took advantage of us in the 90s.

Um, and we have to, we have to, you know, secure our board, take, take control of our neighborhood, et cetera.

Hitler likewise whipped that up.

Um, it's a very powerful tool.

Yeah.

Uh, for political, uh, leaders to achieve their objectives, isn't it?