Francis Foster

The other reason we're acting this way is that human beings have not come up with a way of preventing people from playing with fire.

We can't.

It just isn't going to happen, right?

Even if the entire West, let's say, agreed not to do this, even if the entire world agreed not to do this, someone somewhere would still do it because the advantage of being the one that's doing it is so tremendous, right?

So...

there's actually nothing we can do to stop people playing with this fire, right?

Is that fair?

That hasn't prevented the existence of nuclear weapons or their continued development, right?

No.

Oh, that's the interesting thing, because that's not true in the polls.

People will say, yes, we want action on climate.

But then when you ask them how much they're willing to spend on achieving that, they'll say something like £10 a year.

It's some ludicrously small amount.

They're actually not willing to spend all it takes.

Well, that's because they've been lied to by policymakers.

But people are starting to see through that.

In the UK, we are only responsible for 0.8% of global emissions.

So we could cut to zero ourselves and literally it makes no difference to global climate change.

Secondly, our net zero policies measure territorial production emissions.

By making our energy expensive, we're incentivising offshoring of manufacturing.