Francis Foster

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But Mike, you're someone who has had a very privileged position in the media.

Because I knew you from way back when you did talk sport.

But you started off as a Fleet Street Journal around four decades ago, the golden age of newspapers, tabloids, to what they have now become, which is, let's be honest, a bit of an irrelevance.

Why do you think that's happened?

And how did you see the change happen from the moment you started to where we are now?

The thing that I find particularly frustrating, look, net zero and all of this, but it's also as well, it's just a very powerful symbol of how they ignore ordinary people's concerns.

Most people in this country do not care about net zero.

That is a preserve of the upper middle class who quite frankly don't have enough to worry about.

I talk to ordinary people, regular people who watch Trigonometry, they come up, they always want to have a conversation with me.

What they're concerned about is they can't afford to buy meat in the supermarket.

They've got a family of three.