Francis Foster

And that will happen naturally when that's the situation.

But your point, I think broadly is correct, which is the bulk of the general public believe in a border, but also don't want to see the things that are now happening for that border to exist.

Which is why it's better to have a border in the first place, is what I would argue.

But to what extent are these people actually existing in the world as... I totally take your point, but then counterargument would be, I remember a hell of a lot of people that I was friends with in 2015 going, I don't know anyone who voted Brexit the following year.

And I'm going, well, that's not necessarily a reflection of...

what the sentiment is and might be a reflection of who you speak to.

You see what I'm saying?

I do.

And I mean, the evidence is that there are increasing numbers of people on both left and right in this country and in others that think political violence is justified.

Yeah, and how many presidents have been assassinated or shot?

Four to six.

They don't know.

Oh, I thought you said 46.

I was like, is this like when he said Enoch Powell was gay?

Two were poisoned.

Maybe.

Who?

JFK definitely wasn't poisoned.

Mad Max 2 is kind of violent.

No, but that's in America.