Franco Ordonez

And they're not with the European leaders.

They're with Trump and Trump's people.

So I do think Europe still needs Trump and still needs the U.S.

for this aspect.

And it is a hard balance that, you know, that not only Trump is trying to have, but also Europe.

I mean, the Trump administration, when I talk to White House officials, they want to pull back.

But they also realize that this is not going to end unless the United States stays involved or at least, you know, not a negotiated end.

in any type of way in the near future.

Yeah, I would take Greg's assessment right there as very optimistic.

We've heard the president of the United States say so many times, like, great progress.

We're about, you know, turning the corner so many times where things just fall apart or don't go anywhere.

And, like, even the president is saying, hey, we've reached a deal or we've reached an agreement with Ukraine.

We reached an agreement with Russia.

It is always, though...

U.S.

reaching an agreement with Ukraine, U.S.

reaching an agreement with Russia, or some type of outlines.

What hasn't happened is no type of like, hey, Ukraine and Russia have come to some type of meeting of the minds.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, Greg, but they've never gotten to that state.

And until there's some more kind of hard, either in black and white or something, I