Franco Ordonez

Trump has long had a rocky relationship with NATO, but this war has really wrecked what foundation was left.

And Trump's anger only intensified, calling NATO a paper tiger and attacking some leaders by name, such as British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, saying he's no Winston Churchill.

Franco Ordonez, NPR News.

Good morning, Elena.

Yeah, I mean, it was a frank and open discussion where, according to the Secretary General, Trump raised his disappointment about countries who did not help the U.S.

And in an interview with CNN, Ruda said he could see Trump's point.

Now, he would not say whether Trump told him he wanted to leave or, as the Wall Street Journal reported, is considering pulling US troops from countries who were unhelpful.

Now, Trump has long had a rocky relationship with NATO, but this war has really wrecked what foundation was left.

And, you know, Trump's rage has just only intensified, calling NATO a paper tiger and attacking some leaders, even by name.

Yeah, I wouldn't say it's very specific.

Earlier in the war, leaders did express reluctance to get involved, worried about being drawn into a broader conflict.

But diplomats did tell me before that their posture could shift once the war is officially over.

Yeah, I mean, it's very fragile.

The White House says Lebanon is not part of the ceasefire, but the Iranian foreign minister says the terms are clear and that Washington must choose between a ceasefire or continue the war via Israel.

Actually, while President Trump remained behind closed doors yesterday, Vice President J.D.

Vance spoke to reporters in Hungary, and he called it a misunderstanding.

Vance is actually going to lead a high-level team of negotiators to Pakistan to meet with Iranian officials about the ceasefire.

Yeah, Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt pushed back on those reports.

And she argued that what the Iranian government is saying publicly is very different than what it's saying privately.

But I will just add that our own Mara Liason tried to press Leavitt on who currently controls the Strait, pushed her several times, and Leavitt would not answer.