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Francois Chollet

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

And importantly, in order to, the sort of like knowledge basis that you need in order to approach these challenges is you just need core knowledge.

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Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

And core knowledge is, it's basically the knowledge of what makes an object, basic counting, basic geometry, topology, symmetries, that sort of thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

So extremely basic knowledge.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

LLMs for sure possess such knowledge.

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Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

Any child possesses such knowledge.

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Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

And what's really interesting is that each puzzle is new.

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Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

So it's not something that you're going to find elsewhere on the internet, for instance.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

And that means that whether it's as a human or as a machine, every puzzle, you have to approach it from scratch.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

You have to actually reason your way through it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

You cannot just fetch the response from your memory.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

That's an empirical question, so I guess we're going to see the answer within a few months.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

But my answer to that is, you know, arc grids, they're just discrete 2D grids of symbols.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

They're pretty small.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

It's not like if you flatten an image as a sequence of pixels, for instance, then you get something that's actually very, very difficult to parse.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

But that's not true for arc because the grids are very small.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

You only have 10 possible symbols.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

So there's these 2D grids that are actually very easy to flatten.

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Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

as sequences.

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Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

And transformers, LLMs, they're very good at processing the sequences.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

In fact, you can show that LLMs do fine with processing arc-like data by simply fine-tuning an LLM on some subsets of the tasks and then trying to test it on small variations of these tasks.