Frank Langfitt

And I always find I learn so much more if I can continue the conversation.

No.

Dana still has the pistols and rifles and still plans to move overseas, but it doesn't feel quite as urgent.

Yeah, I asked that question to a trainer I've been talking to for the last few months.

Padovani runs this company called Progressive Defense Training.

And he says there are things that he saw in the industry that alienate progressives and other kinds of minorities.

Padovani says sometimes he would come across teachers who were outspoken in their right-wing politics and came off as really macho.

Padavani's white, and he says he's also come across trainers who made disparaging comments about minority groups.

Well...

You know, Padovani and the other trainers that I talked to, they emphasized there are a lot of politically conservative trainers who do a very good job.

And I want to say when I went to this range with Charles Aisha, it was very, very welcoming, completely professional, no sign of politics one way or the other.

But Padovani says enough people have had bad experiences or fear bad experiences that it's created a market for his services.

I pressed them on this because I was like you, like, okay, how likely – what do you think is really going to happen?

All of them said they did not expect this to happen.

When we first talked, Dana put the risk at 20% tops.

And everybody – I want to reemphasize this – was very clear that they would not engage law enforcement.

I asked people under what conditions they might have to mount some kind of armed defense.

And Dana cited the example of, let's say, a hate group threatening a nearby neighborhood.

Charles worried, as he said before, we've heard about civil unrest in which people might possibly target his home.

I'm talking about other humans, other citizens, other Americans, other people that feel somehow that I have something that they're going to take.