Frank Seravalli

Yeah.

And I think they've nailed the notion of sustainable long-term competitive window.

And I think they get in a way that they've built their team.

They get this more than anyone else.

I think the biggest thing going on right now that's, that is costing NHL team success is the constant change that occurs in front offices and behind the bench.

The fact that Carolina can shape their team, knowing that they're committed to Rod Brindamore for the foreseeable future, and for that I mean as long as Rod Brindamore wants to coach, they can build their roster around him.

And it's no accident to me that the teams that have had the most success in the NHL, from Tampa to Carolina to Colorado, on down the line, not only are they first-time head coaches, but they are coaches with long runways.

that I think it means a lot.

So as it relates to the trailblazers, I'll say one thing.

It drives me nuts that people think Tom Dundon is cheap.

He's not cheap.

He wants everything to have a reason and a purpose.

He's not going to spend money just to do it.

And it's not the extra million bucks that he's saving to

by having the team check out of the hotel at 1230 on the road is not, it's not to put an extra million in his pocket.

He's willing to spend to the cap.

He's willing to use every dollar necessary for purposes that he believes help the team achieve success.

And I've actually asked him about this and you can go back and listen to it.

I did a podcast with him a year or two ago and I, and I asked him exactly about that idea of like trying to,

pinch pennies.