Frank Walker

The document they were discussing had already been written, so they didn't really have any input.

Francis was never really about input from the Cardinals.

He was about telling the Cardinals what to do.

He was about control.

And they had resented that, and they hoped that Leo was going to be different, so he convoked this consistory, and it was supposed to be different.

But like you say, I agree with you, it's sort of a trad-inc hope that was not realized.

Yeah, well, I think that this effort is sort of superficial.

You know, Cardinals, our good leader has access to his top people.

Like you've seen today in the Trump administration, there's some good people there, and you rely on good people.

And they represent the entire planet in the church's case.

So he really does need to interact with them.

And all of the Cardinals were hoping for was to be able to get to know each other, like you say, and they didn't get to know each other or have access to Leo.

They really wanted better access to him.

And what they didn't know until just now, when you look at the agenda here, that it's just a bunch of Sonata working groups.

You know, at Canon 212, I put up a picture of this very sad working group that you would see in any company.

We have to get in a group, and they have discussion points, and then they report back.

And they're not going to ever really interact so much with Leo.

Leo's going to give a speech.

Then they're going to talk to each other, and then they have only 45 minutes before lunch to actually talk to the group and have an interaction between the group that's not in these very closely governed small groups.

And then they have another moment.