Frank Walker

But they're thinking that they can harness more of an effective political message if they make their anti-Islamization a pro-Christian and bring back the Christian.

But the thing is, where is that going to come from when it's already such a subdued message?

A kind of thing in the UK.

And they even mention here that people in the UK, they vote for more social conservative issues if they're evangelicals because they don't figure anything that's not social conservative isn't going to have any traction anyway.

They're not going to be able to deal with anything else.

So that doesn't seem very positive.

I don't think it's negative.

I think that they're pulling together, with the help of the United States and people like JD Vance, a real kind of movement.

And that organization, I think, can be effective.

My question is, how are the churches going to

move in here and continue to respond.

I think the trad movement, the traditional Catholic movement, which is shackled by the church, needs to be free and independent and needs to be more organized and work together with these to try to, like Trump is trying to do with his security strategy, bring back Europe's actual roots, because that's the only thing that's going to solve the problems that they have now.

It's going to be this, the laity.

I think that

They need political power behind the church recovery.

There has to be some sort of power behind bringing back the churches.

You know, I've been racking my brain.

How are we going to, you know, because the Catholic Church from the era of Francis has been just completely destroyed because it does not have any political clout.

But this may be the entryway.

This may be the entryway to reform the churches and getting the people behind it, using the power of the political clout.