Frank Walker

He's come out an article which you flagged up.

Very interesting.

Tell us a bit about what Charles Murray has published yesterday.

And he also refers to having a God-shaped hole, right?

Even though he didn't realize that at the time.

Charles Murray, in the social science world, Charles Murray's a household name, a very, very well-known guy.

I think this book really comes, there's something providential about this book coming out at this particular time.

Is it the sort of book that, from what you've studied of this extract today, this article in the Free Press, is this a sort of book that you would give to people who are on the same sort of journey as you are a journey?

which, in your own words, is open towards Christianity, but not necessarily yet sort of signing off, let's put it like this, signing off on all of the dogmas of the traditional Catholic faith.

Do you think this book would help people, especially as you say, because it's coming really from a science background, rather than an overtly proselytising

Intention.

Definitely.

That is to say that you can subscribe to Christian faith through rational argument as well.

There's no contradiction between accepting...

a huge part of the scientific modern explanation for the world and supernatural Christian faith.

There's not a tension between the two, that a lot of people, without thinking too much about it, automatically assume there to be, right?

It's a long time, Jenny Holland, since anyone has considered me to be part of polite society, and that includes being on the dinner party circuit.

So I think that boat, as far as I'm concerned, sailed quite some time ago.

Stay with us, Jenny.

We're going to come to you in the second part of the show with more breakdown and analysis.