Fred Heiding

I think that matters less.

We should feel as defenders that this is really bad.

We may have a few months advantage in terms of time as defenders from the Frontier Labs, but very soon, you know, Chinese unregulated open weight models, which is just models that everyone can download and use, they will be able to do these same things.

So we should use this time to really do everything we can as defenders, but we shouldn't feel safe because, yeah, Anthropic has done a great job with their model.

Yeah, I think that's a really good point.

And the time horizon is changing a lot.

So first to address some of the other things you mentioned, it gets way easier for small state actors or actors that aren't the big ones, right?

Like US and China, it gets way easier for them to launch really devastating cyber attacks, at least for a while, right?

Because these AI models can just find vulnerabilities that we haven't found ourselves.

And we see that exactly as you said with Iran.

And it's so cheap to do it now, right?

So I think we will see way more of that.

There's a few other interesting remarks I think is worthwhile making.

One is that the landscape is changing.

As we talk now, mufos and these AI tools makes it way easier for defenders to test our systems.

And that's great.

But this is very, very short-sighted in a way because, of course, AI tools are also being used to rewrite technical infrastructure.

So our infrastructure will not look

What it looks like today, it will not look like in one year.

And that's very problematic, potentially good, because AI can write really secure code.