Fred Shilmover

And just remember, unlike any other business book, how much it really pulled on my emotional strength.

So anyone who's in this business, I think has to read that book.

Yeah, I think, can I cheat and give you two?

Sure.

So the obvious one, I mean, in our space is Mark Benioff.

I mean, just in terms of what thought leadership and trailblazing Salesforce has done.

So that's an obvious person to follow.

The other one who's sort of investor newsletters I love to read is Jeff Bezos.

in terms of the way they do decision making.

And it's been fantastic.

He's a guy who's quoted a lot in our executive team and leadership team meetings.

You know, I've got four tabs open, you know, Gmail, Salesforce, Insight Squared, and maybe occasionally Facebook.

So those are my tools.

Uh, I, if, if you don't get eight hours of sleep, I don't know how you function.

Uh, married with kids.

I go to sleep really early.

I wake up really early.

Uh, two kids, two and four.

Oh, wow.

I try to get, I try to get out of the house before anyone's awake, uh, and be home for dinner.