Friedberg

There are SMRs operating in China, Russia, and India today, and there's about 65 being built at this moment. And that's outside the U.S. So that's why the U.S. is kind of observing and trying to catch up and adopt these technologies that are being used by, call it, economic competitors and economic partners around the world. It's important for economic prosperity in the U.S.

for us to have a degree of competitiveness in electricity prices. If China races towards 5 cents per kilowatt hour for electricity, and we're sitting here at 20 cents a kilowatt hour for electricity, what's that going to do to our economic competitiveness?

for us to have a degree of competitiveness in electricity prices. If China races towards 5 cents per kilowatt hour for electricity, and we're sitting here at 20 cents a kilowatt hour for electricity, what's that going to do to our economic competitiveness?

And you're saying solar, right?

And you're saying solar, right?

Yeah, the scalability of solar in terms of getting us to a terawatt of production capacity is the limiting block, Chamath, that in order to get to a terawatt of additional... I think that's a material science problem.

Yeah, the scalability of solar in terms of getting us to a terawatt of production capacity is the limiting block, Chamath, that in order to get to a terawatt of additional... I think that's a material science problem.

I don't think power is the limiting... Every Navy submarine's got a nuclear reactor on board.

I don't think power is the limiting... Every Navy submarine's got a nuclear reactor on board.

It's not the limiting factor in, like, for example... We're asking us to charge up every car every night with electricity, with a battery, rather than using... Let me just make my point.

It's not the limiting factor in, like, for example... We're asking us to charge up every car every night with electricity, with a battery, rather than using... Let me just make my point.

Where? Well, we talked about the Gen 4 one that went live in China. There's several SMRs in several countries that are active, producing power.

Where? Well, we talked about the Gen 4 one that went live in China. There's several SMRs in several countries that are active, producing power.

Here, I'll show you. They have them. I mean, we have one in India. We have one in China. I'll send you links to them here. There's about 50 of them that India is actively building right now. And they're competitive with Kairos, right? They all have kind of common design concepts, but they're different companies. Anyway, I'm just saying like they're getting rolled out.

Here, I'll show you. They have them. I mean, we have one in India. We have one in China. I'll send you links to them here. There's about 50 of them that India is actively building right now. And they're competitive with Kairos, right? They all have kind of common design concepts, but they're different companies. Anyway, I'm just saying like they're getting rolled out.

You can put power production wherever you want.

You can put power production wherever you want.

As long as you got the copper to move it, right? You move the electrons.

As long as you got the copper to move it, right? You move the electrons.

A good debate. I still love you all.