Gab Marcotti

And then on the penalties, they go out.

I don't know how much time we need to spend on the game, because frankly, you and I both agree, Gattuso not fit for purpose.

And I think you said, you know, Gattuso not good enough to take Italy to the World Cup.

What I would say is you don't have to be particularly good.

Italy ranked number 11, 12, 13 in the world.

48 teams go to the World Cup.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think the difference between having a good manager and having somebody like Gattuso is that

Things can go wrong in qualifying campaigns, right?

You get a bad decision, you have a bad day, you go into a group with somebody who's playing out of their skin, like Norway, and so then the margins become slimmer, and then somebody gets sent off in your playoff, and then the margins become even slimmer.

A good manager can message in such a way that say, okay, this isn't working, let's go to plan B, let's go to plan C. He has options, he has understanding of what to do, which Gattuso definitely, I think, did not.

Yeah, definitely.

I know there's a big argument about, oh, Gattuso and the head of the Italian FA, Gabriele Gravina, should have immediately resigned in shame.

Just in general, where do you stand about immediate resignations in these situations?

Yeah, I guess he won the Euros, maybe.

Yeah, true, but even that starts to be quite a while ago.

You're dining out off that for a long time.

The two big names immediately put out there, and to be honest, they don't know who's in charge of the FA, so I don't even know how solid these are, but inevitably Mancini, who's unemployed, and of course won the Euros, and Antonio Conte, who's not unemployed, but may decide to go in another direction in the season.

Who do you like?

Yeah, probably.