Gabby Logan

And Billy's had, they've had quite a journey with Billy because he's had, you know, dreadful reflux.

So I've been doing the overnight for them.

Now that again, when you're in a silent house and they're asleep and you're thinking, you don't really sleep.

You catnap because you think, I've got to feed the baby.

I've got to be on it.

But how lovely that you're getting to spend so much time with them.

And they're all quite close to you in proximity.

They are.

Yeah.

And there's something very special.

So having been an actress, tailed off a bit, I then retrained as a doula, postnatal doula.

So I did that for 10 years.

There's something really special, particularly with your own children and your daughters-in-law.

About the middle of the night when it's silent and it's dark and you think we're the only people up in the whole world.

That moment when they're breastfeeding and you're just there just supporting them and just keeping them company and waiting to take the baby back to settle the baby so they can go back to sleep.

It's it's absolutely magical.

And you clearly have a good relationship, not just obviously with Molly, but with the mothers of... Which brings me to why I introduced myself to you.

That was what we said before the podcast started.

That was going to be the theme of today.

The theme.