Gabby Logan

And I think that's important that he was he's very and even now he will send scripts to Michael and say, can you ever look at it?

You know, Michael may say, actually, I don't like this at all.

And Jack will disregard that and go and do it.

Or he may say, OK, yep, fair enough.

Hmm.

But at least there's another eye on things that he's doing, which is nice.

It's an older eye, but it's a sage eye on it.

Yeah.

And that, I think, is how you protect that father relationship, because you're obviously the it feels like the centre of this family and kind of bring people together and make sure that it keeps working.

What's Michael's role, would you say?

Michael's role is very I mean, he's quite old fashioned.

He's quite sort of patriarchal.

You know, he is very much sits at the head of the family.

I mean, for instance, with the grandchildren who he adores, he's got about sort of 20 minute time.

20-minute windows are just what he needs, you know.

Any more than that and he'll take himself off.

Can you see a softness that maybe he didn't... Unbelievable.

Yeah.

I've got a picture I'll show you.

This was yesterday.