Gabby Logan

They all would have been accessible.

And we don't have that now.

And that's why I worked as a postnatal dealer, because so many of my clients that I had did not have a mother, not some of them.

Their mothers had died, but a lot of them, the mothers were working because we all have careers now.

And that is a bit of a pinch point for me now that, you know, somebody will say, can you do this again?

I'm recording the podcast with your father.

I can't.

So is the Wittering Whitehorse, does that go in seasons?

It goes in 15, yeah, so we do 15 episodes and 15 bonus episodes and then we have a little break to live a bit of life and then start again.

And do you start every episode with a theme that you think, or does it just tangentially?

The emails come in the night before from the producer who doesn't like me to over-prepare, but it's basically us wittering about our life.

So it's whatever's happened that week.

It was brilliant.

What a great way to get your content.

Michael comes alive too when he's in front of that microphone, which is, I think that's what's keeping him, you know, engaged and engaging.

Well, that's also so important, which is something that you clearly are as well.

I feel like I've had so much of your time in a week that is huge in your family's calendar.

And the wedding, the wedding of the year, the wedding of the centuries coming up this weekend.

And of course, we all know, I think it was pretty much live filmed, his stag do.

Yep.