Gabby Logan

Very hard.

Because of that, isn't it?

I've got friends who've been in the business and it's definitely the female part of the partnership.

They're both actors that has taken the hit with the career.

It's very difficult, and I think the older you get as an actress, the less work there is, and that's just a sad reality.

How did you balance off the fact that you'd get rejections or you'd go for an audition, you'd never hear back?

Where did you learn to put that in its perspective in one place and allow yourself to flourish?

Partly because I felt that I had a job as a mother as well.

That was a job, definitely.

That helped.

It's interesting because the business has changed exponentially, and I have many friends who are...

agents who would say you know they're seriously thinking of maybe giving it up because in the old days as an actress you would get in a room with a casting director and a director or you know there would be an audition process where you are actually in a room and you can get a feel for each other having a relationship now done on the phone the whole thing you self-tape and you send it off if you're lucky you might get some notes back to redo it if not you never hear another thing and there's no feedback and the agents everything's done on email

i just don't whereas it was a real in-person business it was a creative industry and i don't understand how you can be creative when you're using tech to do it all a lot of my actress friends say the same thing and actor friends say the same thing and it's the it's the not hearing back it feels so rude i know not acknowledge yeah and not have that ability if the director's there to say can you just do it with a slightly you know more jovial tone can you just give me a little bit more anger in that

Or why did you do it like that?

And then you get to explain your interpretation.

And they say, could you just try it this way?

And let alone what AI is going to do, of course, to the industry.

So it feels like you might have had the best years, you and Michael, in that industry.

I think we probably did.

I mean, it was also a very social industry in those days, you know, because drink was taken on occasions, you know.