Gabriel Gatehouse

I mean, look, absolutely.

Were the English arrogant and ill-prepared?

Absolutely they were.

They really were.

You are my most credulous listener.

The CIA may have had a role in poisoning Gordon Banks was the story I heard.

So I was trying to stand it up or knock it down, basically.

Stand it up insofar as one can ever stand up things like this, an intelligence operation that is designed to be secret, if indeed it happened.

So I started with the motive, and we looked at Brazil, and okay, let's call that a tick.

Let's call that a possible motive.

Then, you know, if you're a detective, you've got two other boxes to tick, right?

Motive, means, and opportunity.

So when you're talking about someone getting sick, you think about means, right?

Did the CIA have the means to poison someone in the way that Gordon Banks got ill?

In other words, David, and maybe you can answer this question if it doesn't relate to sources and methods.

Did the CIA or does the CIA regularly give people a little bout of food poisoning in order to get them out of the way?

So they do do it.

Can I just say, David, I might clip this up and put it in my series because you are the first ex-CIA officer to tell me on the record that the CIA has in the past meddled in a little bit of dodgy tummyism.

I mean, specifically dodgy tummies, though.

So I think you're backtracking, David.