Gabriel Zuckman

I mean, they often lead quite shadowy, opaque lives.

They're not particularly interested in telling authorities just how much wealth they've got.

You know, they can have private companies, they can have art, they can have land, they can have trust, they could have IP.

Isn't it quite difficult to actually assess these people's wealth and how much of it would be taxable in any particular jurisdiction?

Finally then, the left around the world is often, particularly the centre-left, is getting buffeted by the populist right, by sometimes the populist left.

You've got people like Keir Starmer looking for an agenda, the French left obviously bracing up or bracing for the 2027 presidential election, Democrats in the US.

Do you think, I mean, presumably you're talking to quite a few of these people interested in your ideas.

Do you think that this is at least part of the answer for the social democratic centre-left?

Professor Gabriel Zuckman, such a pleasure.

Thanks for coming in.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Well, I find that absolutely captivating.

As I say, Gabrielle Zuckman's book, More of a Short Manifesto, really, We Need to Tax Billionaires, is out now.

Thomas Piketty, eat your cur out.

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