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Gabriel Zucman

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The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

What the UK and other countries do is the opposite extreme.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

You've lived all your life in the UK.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

You became a billionaire.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Now you move to Dubai.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And that's it.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Immediately on January 1 of next year, you have nothing to pay anymore to the UK.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Both of these systems are too extreme.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And so what I propose is a kind of middle ground.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

where taxes would follow you for 5, 10, 15 years.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And the logic is obvious, right?

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

If you've become a billionaire in the UK, that's in large part because you've benefited from public infrastructure and education and health care and all the public spending that has allowed your businesses to thrive.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And so there is no natural right, once you've become extremely wealthy,

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

to secede from society and to say, that's it.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

I have no tax to pay anymore anywhere in the world.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

If you move to a country that taxes you as much as the UK, then that's fine.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

The UK would not collect anything extra.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

But if you move to a low tax country, then the UK should collect the difference so that it would become neutral

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

to live in London or to live in Dubai or to live in Switzerland, same tax bill in all cases.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

The reality is that it's our failure to effectively tax the super rich today, which is at the center of the public finance problems that we have in the UK, but also in France, in many countries.