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Gabriel Zucman

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The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And the current situation is...

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

is a violation of this basic principle, which is at the heart of our democracy of equality before the law.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

I try to spend so much time trying to explain how we can make it work practically.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Because I think at the level of general principles, as you said, we kind of all agree.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And the debate is always about, okay, but if we really did it, wouldn't we be shooting ourselves in the foot?

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And so to make it work, the way I've approached this issue is that I've studied historical and international experience with wealth taxation.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Many countries in Europe used to have a wealth tax.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And the conclusion I reached with my colleagues is that those wealth tax, they really didn't work very well.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And by and large, this experiment has been a failure.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

But you can look at that and you can say, well, we've tried wealth taxes in the past and they didn't work.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Hence, they will never work.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Or you can look at this and you can say, OK, what were the problems?

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Do they have solutions and can we fix them?

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And the truth, the reality is that, yes, there were problems, but we know the solutions.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

They exist.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

There were two problems.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

One, in those past wealth taxes, the billionaires were essentially legally exempt because you always had deductions, exemptions for, you know, if you owned a lot of shares in the companies or that wealth was typically exempted from the French wealth tax, from the Spanish wealth tax and so on.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

So of course, the solution is don't write the law like that.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And hence my idea of starting really high in the wealth distribution.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

It's only people who have more than 100 million pounds in wealth who would be affected.