Gabriel Zucman

I've worked with many people in France.

And after the process that started at the G20, when Brazil that had the presidency of the G20 in 2024 put this issue on the agenda of the G20, it has created an international movement because it has forced the different countries to kind of explore this new idea.

And so now you have, of course, you had what happened in France, but then you had bills

in parliament that are being introduced in different countries, whether it's Belgium, whether it's the Netherlands, perhaps Spain soon.

And so I think we're at the beginning of an international movement to finally tax the ultra-wealthy.

A bit like what happened at the beginning of 20th century when we created the income tax, the progressive income tax.

And the UK was a leader.

You know, the people's budget of 1909 is the creation of progressive income tax.

You create the super tax of 2.5% on income for the 10,000 wealthiest people in the UK.

And then, you know, France did its progressive income tax in 1914, the US in 1913.

So the UK could, again, you know, be a leader.

You can be a leader.

Well, I think it's over...

overcoming this false notion that as individual nations, we are powerless.

We are not powerless, right?

Okay, if we keep the current rules as they are, if we tolerate or even foster international tax competition, then, okay, yes, it's difficult, but we can change the rules.

All of those rules, they are man-made.

So that's the key intellectual obstacle.

No, not really.

Perhaps five, six years ago?