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Gabriel Zucman

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The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

As CEO of Amazon, he didn't pay himself any wage.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

As the controlling shareholder of Amazon, he instructed the company not to distribute any data

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

dividends, and so he didn't have any dividend income.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And then he didn't sell shares in Amazon, so he didn't realize any capital gains.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And so his taxable income was really low, even though his true economic income, his share of Amazon's profit or his wealth was really large.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

So his ability to pay taxes is really large.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And so the fact that the billionaires

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

kind of live in their own parallel society tax-free.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Makes their wealth grow faster than the wealth of everybody else.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

If he wants to spend some money, he can borrow some money at the bank.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

There's a whole industry, a whole part of the financial industry that provides liquidity

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

to the super rich.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Well, you have to pay interest, but that's really negligible relative to whatever his true income is or what he would have to pay in tax if there was a wealth tax, for instance.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

The key point is that when you're extremely rich, it's true you need a little bit of money for your own personal consumption expenditures, but your personal consumption is always only a very small fraction of your true income.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

If your income is like ยฃ1 billion...

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

You know, maybe you can consume 10 million and that's already quite an achievement, but it's only 1% of your true income.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

at least they've been very effective at preventing the necessary changes, meaning the changes to the tax system that would just make sure that they pay taxes like you and me.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And so the fact that they have no personal income tax to pay means their wealth has been growing like 10% per year on average over the last four decades, when the wealth of the average person in the world has been growing about 4% per year

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

on average, and why?

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Because for regular people, they earn wages, they earn pension income, and they have to pay taxes on that.