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Gabriel Zucman

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The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

I think everybody agrees with that.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

OK, so let's create a minimum tax on the super rich.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Second, how do we compute the minimum tax?

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

If we compute the minimum tax as a fraction of income, it doesn't work.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Remember Jeff Bezos.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

The whole trick is that they managed to report no income.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

So you need to express the minimum as a fraction of wealth, because wealth is much harder to manipulate than income.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Hence the principle of a minimum tax expressed as a fraction of wealth.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And then what's the rate that we can all agree on?

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

It's a rate of 2%.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

Because if we ask the super rich to pay 2% of their wealth per year in personal taxes, it would ensure that they would pay as much tax

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

relative to their income than the average taxpayer.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

So there is a legitimate debate to have about the proper degree of tax progressivity, meaning the extent to which the rich should pay more tax than the rest of the population.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

It's normal for people to disagree, right?

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

But we should all agree that

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

no matter what our political views are, that the super rich shouldn't be allowed to pay less.

The Rest Is Money
281. How to tax billionaires

And so with a minimum tax based on wealth equal to 2% of wealth, we would make sure that they cannot pay less than school teachers, than nurses, and so on.