Gardner Harris

But I am here to tell you that I am sympathetic to people who have thrown up their hands and say, I don't trust any of this stuff.

Because the difficulty is that...

Again, public health people will say, look, trust us on these particular announcements that we're saying, and you really do need to take these particular vaccines.

On the other hand, agreeing, yeah, we did lie about that.

Yes, we did not know about all of this terrible research that was kept secret from us.

You know, one of the stories I tell is about EPO in cancer.

It's a complicated story.

But in that story, Johnson & Johnson kept secret study after study after study after study that showed that EPO killed cancer patients.

that it was miracle grow to tumors.

They kept that secret not just from patients, but they kept it secret from the FDA.

Now, when the FDA found out about this, the FDA should have charged Johnson & Johnson with crimes because it's

Keeping that kind of information away from the agency is a criminal offense.

It did nothing of the kind.

So the problem with the system, Shamita, I'm afraid, is that it is corrupt through and through.

And what I'm trying to do, at least in this case, is to allow people to do some of their own research.

It's still under construction, but I have a website where I am putting things

thousands of these documents related to all nine of these products on a website so that people can read hundreds of thousands of pages of these documents themselves.

But this is the fundamental dilemma of public health institutions.

They either have to actually police this space or they have to understand that the American public will not trust them anymore.

Again, it's a complicated answer.