Garrett Josemans

You sit over there. I'll sit over here. And I'll interview you. What's your favorite things about Garrett? Top 10.

I know.

Honestly, I got that a lot and I never get it now. No more stolen ballot for me.

It felt like y'all were out somewhere and you saw this wild, cool t-shirt and you were like, this is kind of cool. And Taylor was like, oh yeah, it is. And you were like, really? And it like gave you the permission to like lean in.

I just called my dad up and he gives me, you know, when you see the red barn, you've gone too far.

She never does anything like that. That's a beautiful thing. Taylor, like if I still sat here and looked like crap, which I mean, you know, I'm offending my prior self. You didn't look like crap. Thank you.

You didn't look like crap.

But you looked like you didn't care. No, it's true. And I did put no energy into it. I wore very particular clothes that doesn't come off on camera. But I didn't really care about putting together to look good because I wasn't trying to attract anybody. But no, Taylor, that's the beautiful thing about Taylor. She doesn't care.

If I didn't dress in a certain way, she wouldn't push me in that direction. She wouldn't feel bad. She was like, I love you as you are. You're beautiful, handsome, all these things. Taylor's great. But I'm just glad that now, I'm sure she secretly does appreciate that I dress up a little bit.

You know that kind of thing. About two miles down the road, left, light. I've got the map quest.

No, listen, I didn't totally buy this.

She doesn't verbalize it at all.

Interesting. I definitely do. I feel like when I finally got to that point with Nick, it was like, why don't we like throw out the skinny jeans? It could be fun to maybe go like a baggier. I don't know.

what's weird is though people jump on you I've seen people like hit the reunion fit and they're like oh those pants are like they're baggy they're not they're loose but it's like in my reveal pic or whatever at the beginning they're like those pants are too tight it's like come on now you gotta understand something about reality TV is is loved by middle America and while you know like rock stars for example they appreciate

My dad is too. It's like an hour south of D.C. if there's no traffic.

Yeah, yeah, south of D.C. It's in between D.C. and Richmond, I always tell people. Okay. So it's conveniently located.

No, yeah. The relationship has been like over a year in the making. People just saw your face. Yeah. No, I, no, no, no. I followed this guy. So, no, I followed this guy since before the show and he's like, he does upcycling like with really old textiles that have like a great story behind them. He goes and he seeks out like old textiles from Turkey and stuff.

Like the first piece he made for me was this Anatolian like cert blanket made from

mohair which is type of sheep wool that he turned into this really badass like bomber jacket and i went to so he's in san diego naturally i was in san diego last year so i hit him up and he's like yeah come on i was like because they're expensive i was like let me see what these textiles are and it's really interesting and to meet another guy who's interested in like fabrics and different types of weaves and stuff it's like it's very unique so we hit it off right away and i bought a piece from him and then asked him if he'd be interested in doing a reunion fit and we stayed in touch i visited him like two more times and

um he was like hey you want to come model for me in fashion week and i was like you mean like like me this you've seen this and he was like dude yeah 100 let's do it so i was like okay i was super nervous but you're very handsome just say thank you i've made it very clear as much as i love this show i'm shallow and superficial and love is not blind for me like i couldn't do that like the curtains would go up and i'd probably be like no

Yeah. Yeah, San Diego's beautiful. We love it. We obviously did our first trip there on the show to South Park, which is the area where her family lives, and we've got an apartment there now, and we walked to her parents' place and walked downtown, and it's beautiful. Yeah, I love it.

Yeah. I mean, everyone that like goes through that experience and has this reveal, the viewers will never appreciate it. They will never appreciate it. You like, I'm particular, like I was melting down. Like I was freaking, I was, my nerves were in a million pieces and it was horrible, but the reveal, you know, the real comes, you see Taylor and you're like, you're just like, Oh, Oh, hi.

And you're beautiful. And like all this and that. And then you don't know what, how you get out of there. And you're just like kind of in a daze and you're like, what happened? Like, I don't even remember what she looks like. And this is everybody. So don't let anyone fool you. And then you get the Cabo and that's where like, really, you're like, all right, am I attracted to this person?

And yeah, like right away, you know, when I got the Cabo, I'm like, God, what was I freaking thinking? Like, this is crazy. Like I'm in love.

I'm not going to lie. Yeah. I was definitely like trying to like just kill the awkwardness with kisses, you know? Yeah. That's what I do.

i think that's what i mean we heard britney and leo kind of talk about this whole aspect of it as well and her being like i wish honestly that i would have kissed him more because i was just saying the most crazy shit it's so weird you can't you can't recreate that moment ever again like should we talk about finances or how many kids you want right now

So how do you spell that?

We have an apartment in both places.

Yes. So you're rich.

I mean, honestly, that those conversations started in the pods, but Taylor and I didn't want to talk about it in public. Like, I mean, there were several things we agreed, we agreed not to talk about like family trauma and like sex stuff. And this is day two. I think they have you talking about sex. So like we. We're like very hesitant to do that.

And Taylor came up with the great idea to let's just write notes to one another and like kind of like do it in that way because we wanted to still see about compatibility and still connect with someone. I mean, you're at risk of like losing this person if you don't connect with them at a deeper level. So that's what we decided to do.

And we've always been very like kind of careful about how we talk about it on camera because it's just it's a private thing.

But I was just like, damn it. That's like the first thing on your note to her is like, I love showers.

Yeah. On camera.

I'll be renting mine out once we make our next big move.

I didn't feel any type of way about it, you know, because you do worry about that. Because, I mean, when you're with your boys, it's kind of like what is like, you know, you just it's kind of locker room talk kind of stuff. And that's the beauty of this experience. It gets you out of that that groove. But these guys are even cool with it.

Like Nick was even talking about it, too, which, you know, is kind of a shock to the viewers. It's like he doesn't want to talk about sex. I don't care. You know, but we did talk about it because you're hanging out kind of before you do see your person in Cabo with the boys a little bit. And we both say, I don't really want to. I don't want that to be our story.

I don't want that to be kind of like our brand.

So is it good?

She did make a comment, though. It didn't air. I mean, there were some fun moments. No, not that one. No, share. The chemistry grade.

But we were pushing back.

Yeah, nice little science pun. Nick and Vanessa appreciate it. No, we like, we really tried to push back on that. I mean, because they were, they're pushing it. They want to know. And they try to like make it sound, there's value in this. And it's like, well, yeah, but that's between us. We got that, you know.

Yeah, no, I think you're, it's obviously what was focused on, but they're having a ton of other conversations besides that. So who knows what percentage, but I know, you know, it didn't seem like that was ultimately like what broke them off. I don't know. It's hard to tell.

Phil and I were so focused on each other, honestly, throughout the whole thing that like you have very little time to talk to anybody else. I know I talked to Tyler quite a bit and I talked to Tim, but outside of that, like I didn't really talk to anybody else because I'm so, you know, I wasn't going out. I wasn't doing anything.

I was working, working out and hanging out with Taylor and getting to know Taylor and seeing if I'm going to marry this person. That was, those are like my three priorities, this entire thing.

That was off the dome for the record.

Off the dome nerd. We watched, for the most part, y'all were very drama free. We did see one fight play out on screens. We were very, Nick and I, I think, were very understanding of the route you took to go about this information, I think.

That's more like I say for myself.

Well, no, it wasn't a lie, though. That's the thing.

No, no. I swear. This is what I'm saying, and I'd love to clear this up.

this is not how this went down and I didn't approach it the right way because Taylor and I up to this point we were like so connected walking through this entire experiment that like the only way that we felt like we were going to get to the end is if our communication was extremely up front quick and heavy and like we always talked about things and we even make it a point to like if something was really heavy you bring it up off camera and like we'll handle this together

Cause our goal wasn't to make a TV show. Our goal was to figure out if we're gonna get married or not. So like that was our primary focus was each other. And the only way you're going to do that is if you communicate early and often. And this was the first instance where I didn't do that. I received a text early in the morning. Taylor was still asleep.

I was getting up before I'm like going to work. I saw the text and I was like, eh, you know, it was, it was, it was something very harmless that like, you know, this ex who we haven't been romantically involved in a long time, but you still eventually like send like little cute videos or whatever of like her niece. And so that's all it was harmless and responded and then moved on.

And then it was like, you know, I'll bring this up to Taylor later. You're also, it's a very chaotic context of like, I'm working all day less than I usually normally do. So I have to squeeze a lot in and then you immediately go into filming the cameras on your face. And so I didn't stop and like, think to bring this to Taylor in the middle of the day.

Like that's where I made my biggest mistake was like to bring this to Taylor sooner.

and let us work through this so then we get we fast forward to the party and we're sitting there uh at a bar right before the party and we're like just waiting to like go in and i took a picture of like taylor's hands and like just on the shot it's like this i have still the picture but never mind i was like i'm posted to my story taylor said soft launch like oh yeah and that's where it triggered i was like oh yeah this is good like it'll help keep the wolves at bay and i mentioned to her that next to texting me

And all of a sudden like her, she started to react like, well, what was it? You know? And so then, so then it became, I saw it quickly. It was, it was like, oh shoot, this was a huge miss on my part. Like this is a big deal. And I didn't think about it because I thought it was very benign and not important.

Again, out of relationship for six and a half years, I'm not thinking about these kinds of things. And it didn't mean anything to me. So I didn't think about it.

Yeah. So it didn't mean anything to me. Right. And so I didn't think about it, you know, think about after obviously short. So I wasn't thinking about the details. So when I told her what happened, I truly wasn't thinking about, all right, what happened? Let's, let's walk through it. Let's open it up, show the phone, all this stuff.

And immediately, like we talked about it and like, I shut it down and responded like, Hey, I'm in a relationship, all this stuff. And that's what you see play out the rest of the night. And then, yeah, when I get in front of Ashley and Tyler, like I say, yeah. And I responded, she's like, wait a minute, you responded. I'm like, Wait, didn't I say that? I thought I said that.

You know, it wasn't an omission and I promise you. And Taylor, had I been truly lying to Taylor, but I get your perspective because people have said that they're like, well, he lied to like, because he thought it wasn't a big deal or whatever to keep it calm. But I truly didn't intentionally deceive Taylor in any way.

It didn't come off shady. It came off like, this is a bad time to tell you something, but I do, we do need to have this conversation, but we like, we're about to walk into a party. There's cameras. There's like, we know what we're doing.

No. And that's the thing. Like, yeah, it wasn't it was nothing. So I responded like the whole shutdown text. And then I blocked her and like just made it all clear. I was like, I just want to make this really clear. Like, I have no interest in this person. Right. Like, let's let's put it to bed.

And we really, honestly, we haven't even talked about it since that day until the show started coming out. People started saying things and people are attacking my character and stuff. Like that's when we started actually talking about it. But I, like, I totally understand Taylor's reaction. I defended her all along because, you know, you're getting asked to like, do you think she overreacted?

I'm like, hell no. Like this is, this is a really tight timeline and you're walking a tight rope to the altar and any one little thing that comes up to like knock you down, you feel like your whole world's crashing down. You have to put all trust in this partner. If anything shows that it's like kind of smells out of character, you're questioning every

Well, no, we had, like I said, like Sue still would send like occasional messages, but they're very few and far between. Yeah, it was. But I didn't like reach out and like say, hey, by the way, like heads up. So we're getting married.

So, you know, it would have been nice, like, hey, by the way, like, I hope you're good. Like, this is going to come out. This may be, people may reach out to you.

Yeah, like, you're not just, like, in a relationship. Like, you've done a show. You're going to be, like, a celebrity. You're married. You, like, it's, yeah, there is definitely more to a story.

I personally don't think it's that deep. I think like watching it, I appreciate this context that you're giving because I think watching it, it just came off to me very much just like this is a bad time, but I want to tell you something. And then like you got kind of caught up in everything. It didn't come off shady to me whatsoever. So, but I am very glad to hear this context.

Should we jump to reunion? Sure. Okay. We love the holidays. Y'all know I love a holiday, but shopping for everyone on our list can be overwhelming.

Not just underwear. Skims Holiday Shop is so good that you can get them underwear. You can get them PJs. They have amazing pajama selection right now for their holiday. It's their soft lounge sleep set, and it is so comfy. It's so cozy. And the bras and underwear, it's like you're not even wearing bras and underwear.

There's also nothing better than waking up in the morning in your soft lounge sleep set from Skims. And it's like a little cool in the mornings now. It's like feeling fall. And you put on the cozy robe from Skims. It's so plush. It's so cozy. It's so comfortable. Make your morning coffee. You're in heaven.

Yeah, well, that's what's funny, too. It's good that you clarified that because a lot of people are commenting. They're like, he's in Fredericksburg. They're not together. And it's like, didn't you hear me say we're moving to Fredericksburg after the show? We gave no timeline for that, but it was always the goal to work our way towards that and to feel out doing some remote living lifestyle.

The sound and I've posted this before, but I do like our nighttime routine is very red light. It's we like play a beautiful set like sleep sound. And it's and it all comes from Nana's sound and light machine, which is another one of Nana's products that is so great. But the baby monitor, it's an app on your phone. So you can obviously go anywhere throughout your house. You can go in the backyard.

You can go in the front yard. You can take a shower and you can just turn it up all the way and you can hear everything. your baby. We obviously love it because when we go out on a date night, we can still check on River and make sure she's sleeping, make sure, whatever, you know?

It says, hey, mom, I've been asleep for an hour and 24 minutes.

They also have a video log history. So I'm able to kind of go back and look at River throughout the night, see if she like woke up, what she did when she woke up.

In fact, Nanit parents get a extra 36 nights of sleep a year and Nanit babies sleep 10% longer than average.

reunion was a little crazy. No. No.

Well, actually, you know. You guys weren't crazy. I blocked out for five hours.

It was a lot of... It was frustrating because you go up first. You go up front. You have to ask you questions and then you sit there forever. You're just emotionally exhausted at this point. You're like, holy cow. Then I ask you questions again. You're like, God dang it. Yes.

What do you think caught the two of you off guard most between, I guess, the Hannah and Nick of it all, the Ramses Marissa? Was it Nancy calling Steven out saying we want to hear the text? Like, what do you think caught you off guard the most?

It's great to be here.

And we talked about New York right away. And, um, logistically we moved down to Fredericksburg and then we went and spent time in San Diego with their family for the holidays. And, um, we were in, we spent like three weeks in San Diego, like La Jolla. We did two weeks in La Jolla and then we did Costa Rica and then we did Europe and, um,

I was going to say the same thing that, cause I'm friends with Ramses. And so talking to him about it, he's like, yeah, we've been talking for a year and we feel good. And we're like, we're, you know, kind of frustrated with maybe how it's portrayed or how people are receiving it. And so let's, we're going in this together. So it sounded very unified and then it didn't play out that way.

And you're like, well, what's happening here. But the Taylor's point is understandable because it is really fresh. You did just watch it for the first time. And you're like, Oh,

Dude, I'm telling you what, I was squirming in my seat. I wish I'd have said more to the context of, I feel like we're throwing stones at glass houses. This is ridiculous. But I could hardly get anything out. My nerves were so worked up. And I was just telling her, I was like, I won't say too much.

Your time to solve this was months ago, not here now. Like it just seems ridiculous.

We were on the road a lot and we're still talking about eventually like making this transition. And we talked about, well, let's go to New York in a little bit. Well, but the timing. And so it was all kind of like just evolving in a different way. And then eventually, yeah, the summer kind of how you put it was like just started to feel a certain way. And I'm like, wait a minute.

I mean, this is what I will say. The internet's mean and she probably got a ton of backlash for how she acted on the show. And she sounds like she understands that whether she's working or not.

Yeah. I think that this pressure makes you do crazy things and maybe that's what explains it, but.

Yeah, there was a, I'm speaking.

Cool. You could have done something different that moment that I think would have been much better. But yeah.

We'll never know if Nick D made the comments about Hannah that she is accusing him of saying. I know it finally got to a point where Rams is kind of started to be like, Nick, you got to start. You got to take accountability.

It's like this backwards justification. But like I said, it's very stones and glass houses to me. It's like this seems, you know, I mean, you can question anybody's judgment. You can do the whole thing like, well, you weren't here for the right reasons. You know, you can say that about anybody and it just falls flat because you don't know.

Oh, 100%. And I'll tell you about Nick. Did he say things right after the first reveal that I wasn't really attracted to? I mean, Taylor and I just admitted we weren't sure right after the first reveal, right? This is a normal thing. That moment on, every time I talked to Nick privately, it was very convincing. He seemed like he was talking privately off camera, like bro talk.

And you know how Nick talks. He would have no problems saying his truth. And he always said nice things.

Like I told Taylor that like I really was open to and excited about trying moving to San Diego eventually. But over the past six months or whatever it had been at the time, I'd spent more time away from my friends and family than I ever had before my entire life. And so it was an experience that was new to me and I was still like feeling, sussing out my feelings.

I feel like I can speak for all of us when we say like, Saying negative things about anyone is not OK. You know, I think her trying to bring that up and I do. They did show Marissa saying, I think you need to say it. So it was obviously something they had talked about. It was like, I don't know if I'll bring it up. Maybe I should. Maybe I shouldn't. Marissa was like, I think you should.

And it felt very much like I've been getting a lot of hate. And now I think you need to get a lot of hate, which is icky.

You had an entire year to resolve whatever it is. And this goes for everybody up there. You have an entire year to resolve this stuff. If you truly were cared about growth and understanding, you would not have waited until the reunion to try to air stuff out. I feel like you had an entire year to address it. That's probably where it should have been done.

If you do wait until the reunion, it feels very performative and demonstrative and just doesn't feel genuine.

And as more time went on, I started to really feel something. I think it was on the way back from, from Europe where we were gone for a month and I was on the plane. I'm like, man, I'm, I'm like, I'm, I miss my family and friends. Like, this is really hard for me. And it was difficult to bring up to Taylor, but I brought up to her like two days after we got home or maybe the next day.

Kept in touch. Yeah. We, I definitely reach out to him and like, how are you doing? And like checking on him and stuff. So like, we're not like, Hey, what are you doing this Friday? But I definitely have checked in on him because I, we were there for the whole experience and my heart was heavy for him. Cause I knew how this was going to come off.

You know, obviously my heart's heavy for Monica for obvious reasons, but the, you know, the bad guy in the scenario doesn't.

Yes, very much in love.

and was like, Hey, this is how I feel. And that was a hard conversation for us. Cause you know, Taylor all along, like was like, well, I want to go to San Diego and that's where I want to be. And all of a sudden her partner who just agreed to marry is telling her, Hey, I don't know that, you know, I can do this.

What is your opinion of his behavior on social media? I actually don't follow any of the cast right now just because I didn't.

Yeah, it's honestly kind of boring. Guys, come on. I'm just kidding.

what's going to happen when like all these people say a bunch of stuff about us even though we were super strong going into it like you hear these bad stories and like I feel great did you how but how did y'all navigate that was it a very I mean Nick and I have been kind of on this page this is something he's taught me of just like you just don't you don't go looking for it you don't read anything you don't read your comments you don't read dms you don't

So it's like, you know, D just changed his mind all of a sudden, like what's going on here. And it was a, that was our biggest struggle this summer was working through that together. And Understanding we still love each other and want to make this work, but these are real feelings that we're feeling and trying to understand them and communicate them at the same time.

It's a weird feeling. You feel like you prepare for that and like you're ready for that. And you're like, I don't care who like this person is, but you're just like, whoa, if people don't like my takes on certain things, I'll get a,

That is how I operate as well. And so it is, it is crazy to me to think that like people take, feel like they can just like drop their opinion, their negative opinion on someone's,

personal page or dm them something nasty i you know what's interesting the moment you call them out they're like oh oh yeah yeah it's like they immediately back down it's like do you not realize like what you're saying they're like oh i'm sorry yeah no you're right no i love you i love you so much thank you for responding yeah thanks king what the

What?

Wait, what are your kinks doing? No, no, no. You want to talk about it? Let's talk about it.

Why didn't you want to talk about sex? No, I resonate with that so much. Lots of fish. I need to get past this. Just kidding.

no he has great swimmers i do i resonate with that so much because i need to get past this this season of being public because i do want to address everybody and i'm like i can do this like and i'll respond to people and like it like i just posted this morning for the first time like a spearfishing thing since i've been on the show besides like this one real i did and immediately you're getting like poor fish and how dare you and you seem like such a good guy why can you kill fish and it's like

I have lots of feelings and opinions about this. We could spend the rest of the podcast talking about it. No. But I want to help people. If people want to understand, I'm willing to explain. But most people don't really want to understand. They just want to be entertained. And so that's why they're there. They want your attention. Yeah.

Honestly, I give y'all a lot of props. You seem like you are handling it and navigating it incredibly well.

She knows. She keeps saying my day is coming.

Well, our caller is here. If y'all are ready to give some relationship advice.

So his buddies who he sees all the time gets several days and you get 12 hours?

What is your schedule for seeing each other currently?

No, it is important that he feels heard. If he's being honest and saying that

there he has his hesitation comes from this previous relationship trauma or whatever you want to call it then yeah sure make sure he feels heard but also like you need to feel heard and i think it sounds like you did explain like i i need this and in a relationship you have to listen to each other's needs and really show them that you hear them and then you understand them and yeah at first it may it may be hard to like hear and you feel defensive but then you come back have the conversation and say yeah i understand like what can we do here and i agree with everything nick and taylor and natalie said

Might as well. Well, send us an update. Keep us posted on how this conversation goes and where your relationship ends up. We would love to follow along. For sure. Thanks, guys.

Take care.

Really to make sense.

Yeah, and it wasn't going anywhere, so they saved you.

Yeah. And I mean, that's frustrating. The problem that this is like a permanent tattoo on your life going forward, but like your read on Tim's perfect. I mean, he's a great guy. He really has a big heart.

He's a big, you know, he doesn't like it, the empathy and tenderness tag, but he is, I mean, he is a sweet guy, but he is very firm and convicted and he has strong morals and he really values his family a lot. I think that came across really well.

And yeah, I mean, he just, I'm not going to speak to like how his thought process was, but you can see he's trying to defend Alex throughout the show in the beginning. So yeah, He's not in it for the show and the flair and he's trying to be angry and upset.

But when he feels like he's been crossed or his reasoning or justification is attacked, he can be a firm speaker and it comes across a certain way. He has talked about he's very cognizant of that and he's tried to reel that back. But he does get excited. He's very excitable and gets worked up.

So this isn't to take anything away from anyone that in listening to him or talking to him would feel like, Holy cow. Cause I've seen him. I'd be like, Tim, you're getting, you're speaking a little aggressive, like, like loudly, but it doesn't, it doesn't, there's nothing meant by it. So I really, I didn't pick up on that watching it.

And I hope that other viewers don't, but if they do like Tim is, you sit down and talk to him, like he will speak on it and he'll, he'll, he'll, you know, you'll, you'll love him. He is a good guy, but, and you're right. They were just incompatible. And ultimately like same thing for Ramses. You know, if you don't feel like this is your person, you're,

You need to cut it off, and it's never going to be pretty, and you're never going to be the good guy.

But you have to do it, and you're doing the right thing by doing it as early as possible.

I mean, they didn't speak, obviously. They haven't spoken in a year. Oh, they didn't. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Right. It's kind of Tim's fault. Yeah. He was like, I'm never talking to you again. That's just how he is. He's like, there's nothing here to talk about. I don't need to understand anything more. But Alex sounds like maybe she did. I don't know. I'm not even sure if maybe she did.

But you want to defend your character in some sense. And you both feel like, you know, everyone's kind of sensitive about their edit. Like, I don't really like this and how this came off. So you want to defend that a little bit. I don't think they came, either one of them came there to attack the other person.

You kind of want to defend your character and, you know, sometimes you got to take up ground to do that. So I think that's all that was.

Yeah, I mean, you're about to tie your life to this other person. No one's going to close their eyes and be like, I just want to do this. Yeah, I don't know Ashley as well as you, but you spent the time with her. She's very... Or you guys both did. She's very... She's going to find the answers. And Tyler is a very good guy, and you spend time with him, and you feel very bought into him.

He's very genuine and trustworthy, it feels like. So to see what happened on camera and stuff, I understand where the views are coming from, especially with the stuff that's coming out. And they want... maybe it's coming from a good place. Maybe it's not. But the point is like, there's, you know, Ashley is going to spend the rest of her life with him.

Like she's going to get the answers and she's going to dig. And if there's anybody I trust to do it for sure, Ashley.

Yeah, it is frustrating. And I mean, we've, even our story, like, and I didn't like how certain things came across or whatever. Maybe I wish I would have showed more of this or that. Like, even then I feel like, eh, it's kind of tainted a little bit, but it's really not. I mean, ultimately we have a great story, but I couldn't imagine like times a billion with Tyler and Ashley are going through.

Like, I just feel for them every single day. Well,

Yeah, we're very excited about going and just, I mean, I've been so close to DC my whole life and I really haven't spent that much time there. But so I'm like, okay, cool. I could actually like spend time in it and be there. And I mean, it's still close to friends and family. So it's all... Yeah, we're both very excited about actually starting our own chapter, our own lives in D.C.

and seeing where that takes us. Any more modeling and fashion week? For Taylor? Yeah, no, that would be nice. I would definitely be into it. I love fashion and I think it's very interesting and it's something Taylor and I connect on. So hopefully we can do more of that.

If we could have sat here and talked about textiles and fashion for an hour.

My spear fisherman following is going to probably deplete a little bit.

Well, throw in a fish.

What are the intersection there? Venn diagrams, Taylor.

Mine's way less catchy. It's just Garrett.Jostmans. Boring. I'm going to be WhiteFishGuy. Please don't be WhiteFishGuy.

Lean into your influencing. Yeah. Sell teeth whiteners on Amazon Proxy free.

And that's the funny thing. Some people come at you. If you do try to do it, you feel a little hesitant. You're like, do I do it? Because people are like, oh, you were only here for this. It's like, come on now, bro.

You do it. You take advantage. You make the money.

You do it.

You do it.

Nick, let it be yourself, man.

He's a little bit of a hater.

Well, love is not blind, nor is your screen name.

Yeah, nor is your crew cut, so don't ever go fucking back.

Yeah, wow, dude. You wouldn't have swiped right on me, man? No.

I think I loved what you said at the reunion of just, like, you know, to your parents, like, I love you guys, but Garrett is my home now. And, like, that's obviously how I feel about Nick. I think that's how a lot of people feel.

Tom always says, he's like, mom's going to be out there on a plane once a month to see you guys. We all have kids. And he keeps hitting me with this.

Yeah, right. No, he's definitely not saying he's going to do it.

Exactly.

Well, his favorite joke before this was he's got a T-shirt that says John Hopkins University. He's like, this is my like $100,000 T-shirt or whatever he says. Yeah.

taylor and i one thing over the summer when we had this first conversation we're like both looking at the term like well like i want to be in san diego and you want to be on the east coast like this seems irreconcilable at at first glance but we spent more time and like talking through it and working through it and i mean ultimately what we decided was like we love each other we want to make this work so like what's a good compromise and that was like maybe dc i could see because it's familiar and she has friends there and it's you know it's better than fredericksburg

at least in terms of things to do. Right. And so she's like, well, maybe I could see DC. And so we sat on that and worked through it. And it is a easier transition for me. And it's not as big of a leap. And who knows what happens? Like you mentioned, like, what do we want to do in five years? What do we want to be? You don't know.

I think you got covered. No, lots of food and laughs and a little bit of TV show. Honestly, it has been really cool. The bi-coastal thing has been the biggest challenge.

And that I think was hard for me and possibly Taylor as well as like, I like to know where things are going and I like to have a clear picture and you don't have that. I just know that I want to be with Taylor and that was good enough for me. So I'm happy with DC. We're very excited about it.

We've been talking about it nonstop, like excited to figure out where we want to be in DC and start a life there and see where it takes us. Cause like, who knows, you know, exactly.

Not the file file.

We saw the mustache.

I thought it looked good.

It's a rare thing for a man to pull off. And I honestly looked at Nick and I'm like, your turn?

I get the Chris Evans thing a lot. I've never seen him with a mustache. Does he have one? A couple movies he's done.

Well, when Nick and I met Ryan Reynolds at People's Choice Awards, Nick said I was referred to as the Walmart Ryan Reynolds. And he was like, listen, Walmart is a great establishment.

I said there's good value there. Taylor was like, we got to work on your PR as well.

But no, we do a Zoom call once a week. It's fine. No, we... No, we spent a lot of time in San Diego, but we're mostly based in Fredericksburg right now. And where's Fredericksburg? Yeah, I don't know.

If you watched the first episode, all I said was from the start, I have been single for six and a half years. I put zero effort into meeting anybody. That's what that look was. But I have always had a latent interest in like fashion and more oddly textiles.

Why did it take you so long to explore that avenue of fashion?

Did she give you permission? Because I was very fulfilled by fishing and spearfishing and work. And then it's like, you know... passions and interests, they take time. They're time consuming. And like, I was like out of time and marrying Taylor and being with extremely fashionable and beautiful person. I'm like, I would love to explore that side of myself now.

And actually, you know, she, so this is what I did say. I think I, hopefully it came off, but like Taylor more so inspired me to explore that side of myself and want to be more

more presentable and aesthetically pleasing and fashionable and it's just fun to go to events and like dress up and with your partner but if you're going not all guys think that's fun and if you're if you're dressing up and your partner's dressing down you feel kind of like man so you know i want to also like be there but i promise you taylor's never said anything besides the hair comment never said anything about my looks once said i didn't like and we could strike that from the record because if she didn't say that which hair the old hair it was like it was terrible whoa nick

Dude, I just never, I'm like, ah, it takes time, it takes time. And I've always only had a buzz cut. It's like the longest my hair's ever been.