Garry

And it has been in the media of late.

So we won't dwell too much on it.

Chris Scott press conference yesterday and the Tyson Stengel situation is actually living proof of just how difficult and therefore debatable the illicit drugs policy is.

The balance between privacy and obligation and the way it relates specifically to club officials or moreover senior coaches goes to the heart of it.

So in the March briefing, we sat in as a media cohort and we had it relayed to us and the policy was put to us and later officially explained in the policy that the senior coach can actually never know the details of a player's

substance issues now we're not saying this has necessarily happened in this instance specifically but even in the worst situations and i mean if even if these things completely unravel and a player has tested positive and all attempts to engage them in the education and welfare framework fail the club president the ceo the gm of football will be informed after the doctor in the initial instance those people are prohibited from telling the senior coach at any stage

And fines of up to $250,000.

And in fact, the AFL stated even deregistration sanctions are in place if they do.

So the coach is never allowed in this widened loop.

And it was widened with this new policy.

Starts with a club doctor, but the coach can never know.

So that press conference yesterday for Chris was a very, very difficult one.

Tom, what do you think?

Do you think coaches should know that level of information?

It takes that off the table, doesn't it?

It was challenging in real time, though.

A lot of journos asked questions of it in this off-the-record briefing, and various scenarios were put to those in the room.

That was Laura Kane, the AFL, James Gallagher at the AFL-PA, but obviously they were staunch on this was the way it was going to be, and that's how it got over the line.

For me, it's very difficult to imagine how a senior coach can't be aware of why a certain player isn't playing, Tim.

Unavailable was the terminology as well.