Garry

I know there's emotion attached to it.

And you can disagree.

As I said, I just get the feeling, and you can tell me otherwise.

You're closer to it.

My observations of this Essendon situation is that it doesn't matter what they do.

There's a pro-Heard camp and an anti-Heard camp, and until...

Either you get success or give Hurdy the go, then that's going to remain a fractured footy club.

I can't add anything other than I know that Dean Solomon, who I've got enormous respect for, I've got respect for Brad as well, but Dean Solomon is very close to James Heard.

I'm not being scurrilous.

I'm just giving you the details.

I haven't spoken to James for probably a year.

I walked past him the other day when he was jogging and he went to stop.

I said, mate, you look like you're knackered.

Keep going.

So that's the last time I've seen him.

I'm not barracking for it.

My feel is that the club is just so – you can tell me differently.

It's just this – look at it.

Look at this temper text again.

Essendon fans or not, the pro James Heard push is so strong.