Gary Jubelin

Well, listening, and clearly it's something that's captivated your interest and the stuff that you can really understand.

And I think in something like that, the deeper you go, the more you learn.

But, yeah, I'm not sitting here looking at you going, what's this hippie dipshit you're talking about?

Yeah, like I've done meditation retreats, yoga, breath work, Qigong from years gone by.

So breathing and I've just recent times doing something which is light vibration and sound, which it looks similar to what you're doing.

You say it's like a trip.

You come out and you feel different.

Now-

Is it spiritual?

I don't know.

I know how it makes me feel.

I got through the cops for a very long time, and my go-to place was doing sort of meditation and breath work and different things.

So I know it affects me in a positive way.

It sort of re-centers me.

So I do understand it.

I think it's fascinating.

It's alternative medicine, I think, but the science is starting to look into the type of stuff.

I don't know the exact thing that you're doing.

Yeah.

But I know how it can evoke emotions.