Gary Jubelin

Yeah.

Well, we're not just talking financial loss here.

It's emotional.

Yeah.

Well, to be a victim, there's a vulnerability to start with, isn't there?

100%.

And I'm talking in a general sense here, but if it's loneliness and someone's looking for companionship, they're not a good starting point.

No, no.

And then to find that you have been manipulated...

I can imagine that it would take a long time to reset your life after something like that.

I don't think we fully appreciate it because quite often the times that you're exposed, unless it's someone that you know, to a romance scam, it's a segment on A Current Affair or a show like that.

I'm sure, like all of us, and this is something that hopefully we dispel today when we discuss how cunning these scammers are.

But we all sit there and think, how could that person be so stupid?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Is it just women or men as well?

I've got a lot of things to be shamed about.

I'll argue that point.

I just don't want to talk about my shame.

Yeah.