Gary Keegan

It sounds obvious, you know, I think Andy Farrell always talks about presume nothing to be over everything, you know, and we presume that that's how it should be.

And that was a big learning for us.

We stripped it back, worked to the athlete's strengths, make him feel really confident in what he's capable of doing.

And then off we go.

Yeah, well, it's indicative of my career, you know, that I wanted to explore different areas to see could I achieve in those spaces.

And when I got to the end of the boxing program, I felt I wanted to try something different.

I could have stayed there and enjoyed the sunshine, but I just felt I wanted to try something different.

So that was really interesting.

And it just gave me exposure to performance directors, to coaches, to athletes across a wide range of sports who had all sorts of challenges and all sorts of insights and approaches to how they did things.

And we put a performance planning process in place at the Institute because I felt it was important that we learn from each other.

So the strategies that the different sports were building was coming through the Institute for a technical assessment, essentially.

And we learned so much about what was happening.

And somewhere within that period, Jim Gavin came out to have a chat.

And as you say, Bernard Dunn,

kind of asked me would I chat to Jim and of course I was very open I had no intention of getting into that space I was busy with the work that I was doing but Jim I think it was after the 2018

2014 final against Donegal.

Was it final or semi-final?

They lost that game.

It was a semi, was it?

Yeah.