Gary McKinnon

Yeah, no, that is definitely the lay of the land, as is national security.

And, you know, I just find it interesting that, okay, you have guys like Snowden and Assange where...

wherever you lie with them, whether you think they're courageous and ideological in a way that really exposed all sorts of issues with the intel world and mass surveillance and stuff, or whether you think they put Americans abroad in danger or whatever, which I think there is some nuance there.

I do think some people in the intel world who talk about this

say, well, there's some real bad effects around this stuff.

Yeah, but in Assange's defense, he had lots of phone calls before releasing that information.

So he actually agreed it with people in the State Department.

I didn't know that.

That's yeah.

Well, there you go.

Yeah.

But but but I was just getting to the point of whatever you think of those cases, like maybe there's some, you know, like more gray area or debate to be had or whatever.

In your case, you're just you're smoking weed in your girlfriend's aunt's little flat.

And it's like 4 a.m., and you're just like a dude who's interested in UFOs since you were a child, and you want to figure it out.

And so it's just like, to me, if it's the U.S., like, get your shit together.

That should be your... You should be, you know, it's almost like they might have...

lashed out so much at you because they were embarrassed i mean that you literally like it's it's on you it's not on this like poor english citizen who has no clearly like i don't think you're like particularly ideologically set and like destroying america you know it's i've been there i loved it chicago yeah instant

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So anyway, well, we'll get to that kind of more meta conversation, but you also found some other pretty crazy things while you were searching in your girlfriend's aunt's flat.

And so, yeah, what else did you find besides this tic-tac?