Gary McKinnon

Are they coordinating with these people in the U S for like, you know, are they like some deep state thing in Japan?

Like, I don't think so.

You know, it's like this global thing.

So yeah, this is wild.

So I, and when I, we were setting this up and, uh, you know, I was talking to you on the phone and you were like, yeah, I'm super into Townsend Brown.

I was like, what does this is going to be the best interview ever?

Well, yeah.

I really enjoyed your, I call it your Byfield Brown special.

I don't know if that's,

I'll take it.

Yeah.

It was called the Bifield Brown special.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, thank you.

Well, well, kudos to you for being into Townsend Brown 2007 because, uh, the Man Who Mastered Gravity by Paul Shatskin was this great biography that only came out in like, I think around the pandemic and he created, he had this other version of it that, uh,

wasn't really edited super neatly or concisely i think that might have come out in like 2009 or something and he kind of stepped away from the project but 2007 like you're talking about townsend brown being on the dark corners of the web like the like you gotta like you know that's where i used to live it sounds sounds like it yeah man um and wasn't paul laviolette who first introduced the idea of the b2 using that

Yeah.

So here's where I think Paul LaViolette got wrong.

Cause he wrote this great history of anti-gravity and he, he talks about microwave beam propulsion alongside Townes Brown's Byfield Brown effect.