Gary McKinnon

Actually, I don't even know enough to comment, but yeah, he's, he's done it in a vacuum.

Interesting.

And it is less, why wouldn't he pursue it?

Like, you know, more substantively after that sounds like he just went straight to satellite.

I think, yeah, I think he wants to be commercial, make money, do well for himself.

Um, and probably maybe that's as far as he wants it to go.

But it works in a vacuum.

But also you have like Jean-Louis Naudin, the French kind of YouTube scientist, I want to call him.

I don't know his credentials for real.

He's done it in vacuum tubes.

He's isolated the electrode in vacuum tubes.

But I don't know what the pressure was.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah, so you're right.

There is this whole global community of DIY independent creators, aerospace professionals who in their private life just want to pursue this or UFO nuts or whatever outside of, you know, whatever they're doing.

And most of them say that there's a there there.

There are very few people that say there aren't a there there.

The ones that do, I believe there's...

you know, an air force, the guy, his last name is Talley and he's an air force guy.

And I think he consistently uses very low voltage and tries to explain it away.