Gary McKinnon

He found, you know, weaknesses in protocols.

So he was more advanced.

But, yeah, and he was earlier.

He was in the 90s.

And then what happened to him?

He was basically... Slap on the wrist.

He did go through some shit.

Don't get me wrong, Matthew, if you're listening.

But, yeah, he didn't face a long-term...

There were a few of these cases before you where I think in a certain case, it was like a hundred thousand computers ended up with malware, you know?

Yeah.

Well, I mean, yeah, if you want to know who's the most successful hacker, it's not a person, it's a virus.

Yeah.

Like the love, love, what's it?

I can't remember the name.

But I'm talking about specifically there's precedent for UK-based hackers hacking into US systems, which neither of us are suggesting anyone do.

Don't hack into national security stuff.

This is a lesson.

But in those cases, they did worse stuff than you, and they just got slaps on the wrist.

And then you're this UFO-interested, you want to know if there's free energy or whatever for your own edification.