Gary O'Hanlon

And what's the magic time then, say, from one book and it all sort of starting to die down or whatever?

Because you've done, you've got five already, is it, or six?

And are you more savoury or sweet, Sarah?

I was going to say, actually, because I'm looking at it, which normally, like, there's a wee mix, there's two desserts, there's no dessert in one of them or whatever, but when I flicked through it there, I was like, God, the one thing that struck me...

And I wasn't expecting it.

I don't know why or whatever, but I was like, oh, there's a lot more savory here than what I was expecting.

Because I think the easy thing, especially with books and that, is patisserie sales, baking sales, you know, as you've probably learned over time.

Like everybody will take a pot shot at a recipe book for a dessert.

Who critiques them for you through the process?

What was the first show you did today?

Ireland AM, was it?

And it wasn't.

The very front of the fridge.

It wasn't there.

You couldn't find it?

Yeah, you've got to lie through your teeth all the time.

The very first day I did TV and just as I'm doing the cookware slot, Jordan...

the model or whatever at the time.

I don't know what you call her now.

But anyway, she rolled over and all I could see was her lips at the corner of my eye or whatever.