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Gary Shteyngart

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The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

But when you're also working 80 hours a week, and if you have kids, you have to put them through these schools to get into a university that will take up half your paycheck already.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

So having one kid is already a gigantic undertaking.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

Having two is basically an impossibility for most Koreans.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

And I think that's where we're going to.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

I think there's a really interesting way this actually connects to rankings.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

One just fascinating thing about fertility rates around the world is that people tend to have a lot of kids sometimes when they're very, very rich, but also when they're quite poor.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

And then in the middle here, it's too expensive to have kids.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

And it's not that that's wrong, but it has to do with the positional competition of having kids when you are in richer countries in particular.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

And I mean, obviously there's other things going on here, birth control and women's liberation and a million different things.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

But there is a reality that, you know, you go to much poorer places and they have a lot more children.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

And then you go to Brooklyn and everybody's like, it's too expensive to have kids.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

Yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

And it's not that that's fake.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

It's true.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

But it has to do with, you know, we have made having kids very, very expensive.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

We've made having kids very, very expensive.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

We've also made it too competitive.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

I was just in Palo Alto and I flew back to downtown Manhattan where I live.

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

And in both of these precincts, there's this feeling that you're not just having a child, you're having a kind of...

The Ezra Klein Show
I Keep Telling People We’re Living in This Dystopian Novel

I don't know, you're having a corporation, a mini corporation that has to do really, really well.