Gary Stevenson

Like in many ways, like a good persuasive argument because the bogeyman you are creating is somebody who is already hated.

Everybody hates government and everybody hates taxes.

So he's asked early on in the interview, you know, should rich people pay tax?

And he basically says, you know, these guys are pointing their fingers at me and the billionaires and it's saying my fault.

It's my fault.

But pointing fingers doesn't solve anything.

Basically, what you need to do is replace the government because the government are rubbish and you should get rid of taxes because taxes are rubbish.

which is pointing the fingers in a way that doesn't solve anything because the two things which you have suggested are one thing which is impossible which is to cut taxes on everybody without reducing government services and another thing which absolutely everybody ever has agreed with and tried to do and failed which is to reduce government inefficiency

You know, if I step back and I look at what's happened on whatever you want to call it, attacks, the rich movement or the anti inequality movement or the wealth tax movement in the last like two years, five years, 10 years.

Like if you'd have told me 10 years ago or five years ago or two years ago, we would be where we are now, where this issue is like constantly one of the big issues in politics when the economy is discussed, where like billionaires like Jeff Bezos would feel like they have to apply on it, where we're getting wealth taxes all over the world, even in countries which have right wing governments.

I wouldn't have believed you.

But I think the one thing which I've been trying to provide, which

we don't have enough of in other wealth tax movements around the world is this clear, simple economic message, which is the reason your living standards are falling is because of growing inequality.

And I think that is made clear

by Jeff Bezos saying exactly that in this interview, that taxing me doesn't solve anything.

It's not going to help that nurse in Queens.

We need to make the case that it does.

We need to make the case that it will.

And really the whole story of the history of this channel is me sort of every week trying to make that case in a different way.

I think if you weren't like one