Gary Taubes

Yeah, well, so this is, you know, getting back to the history a bit. We get to the 1970s, 80s. The diabetes community, their credit, did some really ambitious clinical trials. And what they find out, in effect, is that this disease, by their treatment, is a chronic progressive disorder. It just gets worse. A famous British trial where they show they start people on...

Diet only and then they add one drug and then they go and they see how many of the patients diagnosed with type 2 diabetes can stick with one drug, monotherapy, and the answer is like 10%. So as time goes on, you keep on having to add drugs to keep the blood sugar under control. They do these, we said a cord and a... I forget the other names of the other two trials.

Diet only and then they add one drug and then they go and they see how many of the patients diagnosed with type 2 diabetes can stick with one drug, monotherapy, and the answer is like 10%. So as time goes on, you keep on having to add drugs to keep the blood sugar under control. They do these, we said a cord and a... I forget the other names of the other two trials.

Diet only and then they add one drug and then they go and they see how many of the patients diagnosed with type 2 diabetes can stick with one drug, monotherapy, and the answer is like 10%. So as time goes on, you keep on having to add drugs to keep the blood sugar under control. They do these, we said a cord and a... I forget the other names of the other two trials.

Looking at intensive insulin therapy and they find that it does more harm than good at the very best. And then they do this huge look ahead trial, $200 million to demonstrate that if you lose weight, you'll reduce diabetic complications. It's a fundamental pillar of thinking with diabetes. Just get your patients to lose weight. They'll be fine. Yeah.

Looking at intensive insulin therapy and they find that it does more harm than good at the very best. And then they do this huge look ahead trial, $200 million to demonstrate that if you lose weight, you'll reduce diabetic complications. It's a fundamental pillar of thinking with diabetes. Just get your patients to lose weight. They'll be fine. Yeah.

Looking at intensive insulin therapy and they find that it does more harm than good at the very best. And then they do this huge look ahead trial, $200 million to demonstrate that if you lose weight, you'll reduce diabetic complications. It's a fundamental pillar of thinking with diabetes. Just get your patients to lose weight. They'll be fine. Yeah.

and they get them to lose weight and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. The trial was ended for futility, a $200 million trial and a great quote in the New York Times from a Harvard diabetes specialist named David Nathan who says, we have to have an adult conversation about this. And they never do.

and they get them to lose weight and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. The trial was ended for futility, a $200 million trial and a great quote in the New York Times from a Harvard diabetes specialist named David Nathan who says, we have to have an adult conversation about this. And they never do.

and they get them to lose weight and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. The trial was ended for futility, a $200 million trial and a great quote in the New York Times from a Harvard diabetes specialist named David Nathan who says, we have to have an adult conversation about this. And they never do.

No, they lost weight and they didn't get better. The idea was you lose weight, you'll have fewer complications, you'll reduce heart disease, you'll reduce strokes, you'll reduce mortality from this disease. It didn't make any difference.

No, they lost weight and they didn't get better. The idea was you lose weight, you'll have fewer complications, you'll reduce heart disease, you'll reduce strokes, you'll reduce mortality from this disease. It didn't make any difference.

No, they lost weight and they didn't get better. The idea was you lose weight, you'll have fewer complications, you'll reduce heart disease, you'll reduce strokes, you'll reduce mortality from this disease. It didn't make any difference.

Well, it could have been because of how they lost weight. And in fact, back around 2003, when I first heard about this trial from one of the principal investigators, I was in a conference, he invited me to talk in Houston. I remember saying to him, look, are you doing a low carb arm? Just do a low-carb arm. Make it not just low-calorie, low-fat, fruits, vegetables, whole grains, the usual story.

Well, it could have been because of how they lost weight. And in fact, back around 2003, when I first heard about this trial from one of the principal investigators, I was in a conference, he invited me to talk in Houston. I remember saying to him, look, are you doing a low carb arm? Just do a low-carb arm. Make it not just low-calorie, low-fat, fruits, vegetables, whole grains, the usual story.

Well, it could have been because of how they lost weight. And in fact, back around 2003, when I first heard about this trial from one of the principal investigators, I was in a conference, he invited me to talk in Houston. I remember saying to him, look, are you doing a low carb arm? Just do a low-carb arm. Make it not just low-calorie, low-fat, fruits, vegetables, whole grains, the usual story.

Mediterranean diet, right. Well, this was pre-Mediterranean. I mean, this was just classic low-fat. But in low-fat, they're also saying you're eating fruits, vegetables, whole grains, cut back on meat, exercise. No, they never crossed their mind to do a low-carb diet because that was still considered quackish.

Mediterranean diet, right. Well, this was pre-Mediterranean. I mean, this was just classic low-fat. But in low-fat, they're also saying you're eating fruits, vegetables, whole grains, cut back on meat, exercise. No, they never crossed their mind to do a low-carb diet because that was still considered quackish.

Mediterranean diet, right. Well, this was pre-Mediterranean. I mean, this was just classic low-fat. But in low-fat, they're also saying you're eating fruits, vegetables, whole grains, cut back on meat, exercise. No, they never crossed their mind to do a low-carb diet because that was still considered quackish.

As the diabetes community keeps learning about how ineffective their treatments are and how their belief system is falling apart on top of them and not having an adult conversation about it, which is maybe we're making some mistakes here.