Gavin Newsom

And some will never give a penny away.

Some I respect, some I don't.

So I never have, but I've met with those as well.

Prue Point, one of the people that was out there promoting my recall.

Yet I still reached out and met with those folks because I'm very mindful as a guy who budgets for this state,

that we rely on a very small number of people that allows us to do historic things, for example, with behavioral health, which probably one of the most exciting stories that has been under reported in California, the investments we're making to reform our behavioral health system.

There's a connection.

And by the way, that's a literal connection because we have a millionaire's tax that also funds our Mental Health Services Act

And it provides an abundance of resources and investments in this space.

I don't know enough about him.

Well, I've tried to put a mirror up.

I don't know that quote.

I think it's been important what we've done, putting a mirror up to the aberrant behavior of Donald Trump.

Do you think Mahan's done a good job in San Jose?

And I think part of putting a mirror up to that aberrant behavior has allowed me to drive a conversation that I couldn't drive in the past.

And it's a conversation that is style, undoubtedly, but also substance.

53 lawsuits, wildly successful in that space.

Organizing with other governors strategies to not just defend ourselves, but go on the offense.

Let me give you an example.

The West Coast offense with governors of other Western states for healthcare.