Gavin Newsom

I'm not suggesting anything, but I'm just offering a glimpse of some of the things that people may not see, of sweaty hands, of anxiety, insecurity, of trying to be someone I'm not, of making mistakes, learning from those mistakes.

And painted a picture of also a family history that I knew nothing about until I wrote the book.

Because this is Gavin Newsom.

That's who I am.

What does that mean?

Open hand, not a closed fist.

I mean, I said it, and we just had a rally here.

I said divorce is not an option.

It's just not.

As human beings.

It's just exhausting.

Well, I think it's fair.

And that's why you don't have to listen.

I started the podcast with quite literally not one download and not one listener.

And I brought on Charlie Kirk because I wanted to understand what motivated him.

I wanted to understand why he had built such a successful organization that powered young men, particularly young men who the Democratic Party have lost, to Donald Trump's side.

And I thought it was important to understand that.

And, you know, some people thought it was offensive, but just because someone like him on.

But, you know, just because, you know, just because we don't want to focus on doesn't mean they go away.

And so it's just it's my it's who I am.